This wide ranging conversation covers coffee that tastes like sh*t, Chris' status as a Brooks Range Gravel Games athlete, and what it means to be results oriented. Oh, and who can forget Yukon mountainside wrestling and the great GoreTex debate? Lastly, the Keefer brothers finally talk publicly about why Chris get's so p*ssed off when Casey releases the first fish of the trip while they're filming Dropped and living off the land in Alaska.